BORDER WALLS


A blogger friend living along the Mexican border recently ask me, why we have a wall on the southern but not the northern border?   I did not have an immediate response, and have yet to answer until now.

Border walls and illegal immigration go together like soup and a sandwich.    Can you be opposed to the existence of the wall and at the same time favor enforcing immigration laws?    I do believe in enforcing laws against illegals.   I am not opposed to immigration, done lawfully.   I do not want criminal gangs walking across the border into the U.S.    Its difficult avoiding contradictory comments or opinions, even a having it both ways attitude, but I will try.

I don’t like the wall(s), I don’t know anyone that really does, other than for its purpose.   The wall certainly doesn’t add any landscaping beauty, they are ugly.

Just the sight of the wall is symbolic, with a different meaning from each side, on one it is a keep out sign on the other some security.  Does the wall represent the character of those it is meant to keep out or those it is meant to protect, or both?   It may be a double-edged sword.

The wall does without saying, keep most of those that would like to enter the U.S. illegally……. out, apparently until now.    What the walls don’t do is solve our differences.    Not only does the existence of the wall further divide the U.S. from Mexico and the rest of South America, they now create division among ourselves.   We are a  divided nation, especially when it comes to immigration.   The division is only growing wider.

There is no point bringing up the in a perfect world scenario, I’ll leave that for my dreams.   There will always be undesirables we want to keep out, not have to deal with.   I don’t have all the answers for the ideal situation………….no need for the wall.   If people didn’t break the laws, there would be no need for a wall.    I was going to keep the perfect world scenario out, but I also said I would try not to double talk; its difficult.  It’s a difficult problem.    I also have avoided answering why there is no northern wall.

I guess Canada could have built a wall when Americans of draft age were fleeing north to avoid Vietnam in protest of the war and the draft.   I can’t put this on Canada though, they too are having immigration issues but not as grave as the U.S.    I haven’t heard of much interest in South Americans wanting to migrate to Canada.

So, why a southern wall and no northern?   I’m not researching this on Google, this wasn’t meant to be answered that way, its more about getting a feel for the attitude and personality of a nation type of question.    It is a good question and to be honest, not one I had thought of until my new friend presented it to me.   The simple answer would be, I’m not in charge of that, so I don’t know.   He has me thinking, searching for an answer.

It is a difficult question to answer, even possibly without offending someone.   Maybe history plays a part…….our history with Mexico….wounds are passed on through generations, trusts that are lost may never be regained.  Do we stereotype a certain people and remain prejudice?  I’m still searching here……..do we just say our doors have been open to you long enough, we can’t take anymore and a wall slams the door in our Southern neighbor’s face.   While up north, there is no wall.    Canadians can enter the U.S. and pretty much go unnoticed, therefore free from stereotyping.   In my life time I have witnessed very little poor relations with Canada.   Also, you do not see a large wave of Canadians coming to America to stay, like we do the Southern border.    To most Americans I would say the North does not appear to be a social threat as does the South; and I know that is stereotyping to certain degree maybe more than I want to admit.  I also know, Mexican gangs and the cartel shooting at border agents, doesn’t help.

I have tried to answer, from just what I know; maybe I am learning I don’t know very much about our borders, the North and South.   Hopefully, someday a better solution comes our way.

 

 

13 thoughts on “BORDER WALLS”

  1. I appreciate that you made it all the way through. I truly didn’t mean for it to be so long. Playing devil’s advocate can be a way to show the ‘other’ side but it can make it appear as that you sympathize with that ‘other’ side. I have played devil’s advocate and gotten myself battered and bruised by people that I had called friends that should have known that I was doing that. Yikes! At any rate, thanks for sticking it all the way through. I too, WISH there wasn’t a need, but the TRUTH is, there IS a need for a wall and one that is serious, hence the one I suggested.

    Again, thank you for your kind word and sticking with me all the way through!

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  2. You raise an especially interesting point with the comparison between Canada and Mexico. Canadians aren’t coming over in droves, whereas folks south of the border (Mexico and farther) are. I think the big difference between the two is primarily in US economic and military involvement. We have a long history of interfering with national sovereignty south of the border, and our economic policies and failed War on Drugs have only exacerbated the problems down there. Poverty, class divides, lack of opportunity and violence are the order of the day. Up north? Not so much. Within America, we fully understand the idea that if the job market dries up where we are, businesses are shuttering, and violence is on the rise, if we’ve got the resources we pack up and move to greener pastures…a town over, a county, even across the country. In that sense, it’s no mystery that people on the wrong side of our southern border will do whatever it takes to go where the opportunities are better than what they have back home. It doesn’t help that we’ve got plenty of our own bad actors here willing to exploit that labor for profit. It speaks to how lousy things are down there when what’s available here “under the table” is still an improvement over what’s back home. The big question for me is, “would things back home be that awful if we here in American hadn’t bent over backwards to make them that way?”

    As for the idea of a wall, I was batting possibly silly ideas back and forth with a friend recently. Surprisingly, I’m in favor of one, but would like a “go big or go home” approach. How’s this for a combination jobs program, national security solution, and good will/good faith effort for our ally Mexico.

    From the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of California, dig a trench wide and deep enough to supply the materials for the wall itself. North of the trench, 30′ of steel sheet piling underground to help foil tunnelers, and a wall made from the earth removed to dig the trench. How to pay for and power such a massive undertaking? Solar farm from one end to the other on the northern side between trench and wall, and mounted on the wall.

    Would energy industry complain? Not if we allot a fixed percentage of the electricity generated to the energy companies, at a discount, as a subsidy to power their facilities. The remainder? Split 70/30 between municipalities north of the border and south of the border, same discount applying. Revenues raised should pay down the bonds issued to build the whole kit and kaboodle.

    Benefits as we saw them? Funded at least primarily with bonds. Jobs out the wazoo. Tons of contracts for all many of businesses involved in the construction and maintenance. Massive demand for solar panels sourced here in the USA (more jobs), making it possible to phase out coal rather than hamfistedly trying to outright replace it, while perhaps sweetening the pot for the coal industry by giving their investors early adopter opportunities to invest at the ground floor. Improved security. And “free” energy going south of the border as goodwill would greatly boost economic prospects on the southern side with all the benefits those would entail.

    Downsides are just as you said, though…no matter how attractively we could design such a thing, it would be an eyesore and serve as a huge symbol of what divides us across the border, especially in places like Juarez and Tijuana.

    I’m sure there are environmental and other issues that would affect feasibility, but if those could be addressed, is there anything that could sweeten the pot so that something like this would be desirable as a win/win all around?

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    1. I think there are a number of creative ideas that could come from a well managed wall. Since it drives so much traffic lately, open a few fast foods, put some people to work.. Partly kidding but, if it’s going to be there, use it to the fullest. Its an interest concept.

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      1. Staffed, of course, by Americans, correct? It would help with the unemployment rate! So will building the wall! Just think of all the people it could put to work! Apparently, I think to simply and I’m not complex enough to be a deep thinker to be a politician! LOL

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      2. I like the restaurant idea. Maybe one way to ease the eyesore aspect would be to allow for buildings to butt right up against it, maybe even some high-rise apartment blocs with scenic views over the wall. Nothing to say that couldn’t be done on the other side, as well. Maybe even have stretches of the wall where the top is widened enough for something like open air shopping districts, accessible by elevators on both side, requiring passports to get to a so-called “free-trade” zone up there. Planned and branded right, something like that might even become a prestigious place to do business or even own a condo.

        Only being partly silly, but it’s the kind of thing that could be “built upon,” so to speak. Hell, legalize gambling along the length of it and make sure Sheldon Adelson gets his mile-long stretch, and we could end up with the world’s longest casino district.

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      3. Hey we have to have a lighter side once in awhile…….but you have to like the concept. Thinking outside the box, with a little creativity, can solve problems…….maybe even a little peace.

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  3. I can understand your complex dilemma with the wall. You stated that you didn’t know of anyone that wants a wall on our Southern border. We I do. I what I want is what they have that surrounds our most hardest criminal prisons with guard towers and to arm our Border Patrols with Law Rockets to shoot down the helicopters that fly over our border and shoot at our border agents that are overwhelmed currently by the inundation of illegal immigrants that have supposedly come from Central America who have passed Mexico’s Southern border and Norther border unimpeded. Try to sneak into Mexico and see what happens to you.

    My rationale may seem harsh but American taxpayers are being taxed out of their homes and their livelihoods to support the 16+million illegal immigrants in this country today.

    And, now to learn that there are other terrorists that are sneaking in with the Central Americans. As well as violent gang members who have criminal records that We, the People, pay for court appointed attorneys, translators (because they suddenly cannot speak English), and then we pay for 3 hots and a cot. There was a saying, Amerdica, been beddy beddy good to me.

    We have people who are waiting their turn to enter legally. They have followed the proper channels. They are able to speak English, and to be productive members of society. They are not coming here for the government handouts but for the American Dream.

    I believe in giving a hand up, not a hand out. There is a world of difference.

    And yes, I do believe wholeheartedly in having that wall on our Southern border and I think Obama’s idea of a moat filled with alligators is a fantastic idea! A great deterrent, IMO.

    I’m not cold-hearted; far from it, actually. I say that instead of our government sending millions of subsidies to all of these countries, pull the money out. Tell those country’s leaders to get a hold of the corruption in their country and LEAD it. Then that the money we’ve been sending to those countries to round up all the 16+millions of illegal immigrants (some of which boldly wear t-shirts that say I’m illegal and proud of it!) and SEND THEM BACK. And if they have “anchor babies/children” they made the choice to have them here so I give them 3 choices. 1.) Take them home with you and when they are 18 yrs. old they can come back to the U.S. as a citizen 2.) Leave them with a LEGAL family member 3.) Leave them in foster care. But the choice is the parents’ choice since they made the choice to come here to have their ‘anchor baby’ thinking they wouldn’t be sent back. WRONG!

    So, fence, absolutely! Pull the millions of subsidies we send to these countries since they are clearly not appropriating it correctly as their governments are corrupt. And remove the huge tax burden of We, the People, by removing the illegal immigrants (PC for aliens) from the U.S, and check the prisons. There are MANY doing time for serious crimes that We, the People, are paying for their court-appointed attorney and their 3 hots and a cot. Had the border been secure, would they have been able to get in and commit their crimes?

    You mention the Northern border. A passport is now needed to get into Canada when it was once not needed. Canadians come across and go back. They come here for medical help as they have… wait for it… socialized medicine. Yes, and that’s where we are headed with Obamacare. If you want to see a picture of American socialized medicine take a look at the VA! Canadians aren’t a problem. The Northern border isn’t a problem but you need a passport to go both ways.

    Again, I apologize for my lengthy response. Thank you if you’ve made it all the way through!

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    1. Oh don’t get me wrong, I know most want the wall from a necessity aspect. That includes me. I would like it, if we could do without it, not need it…….but that takes that perfect world I said I didn’t want to mention. Sometimes, often I play devil’s advocate……There are many negative factors the wall keeps out. I know that. Thank you for your response, and yes I made it through it.

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